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Wind Tunnel Testing - In Review

Wind Tunnel Testing - In Review

Postby dalai » Wed Sep 24, 2008 1:26 am

Monash Wind tunnel testing Review

I was fortunate to take part in Wind Tunnel testing at the Monash University, Clayton Campus recently.

As much as I’d like to divulge actual values, before testing we had to sign a legal agreement to not publish the figures. This prevents companies from accessing valuable testing information for free; unfortunately this also makes it harder to write up about the day! But I’ll try to at least give a general feel for the process and the benefits of Wind Tunnel testing for non elite cyclists like myself.

The Monash tunnel is the largest on the Southern hemisphere and can produce wind speeds up to 180km/hr. Often used for testing cars due to its size, the venue has also worked with the AIS and various elite cyclists.

Bikes are mounted in the centre of a rotatable plate set up with rollers. Under the plate are four sensitive electronic pressure sensors which interpret the loads as drag.

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View of the tunnel from the control centre

Due to time constraints, testing primarily focussed for all three riders including myself being tested on the day with positioning. Therefore testing during the session was at 0 degrees yaw, the Triathlete and myself limited by UCI rules tested at 40km/hr wind speed, the track cyclist tested at 55km/hr.

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My bike being fitted to the test jig

My bike was the first to be fitted and soon the fans were started and we were away. Initial tests were with my current position and two hand positions: first on the ends of the extensions and second closer in as I use climbing. What was most surprising here was how unaero my original position was when I thought it was quite reasonable. Also surprising was how drag increased from such a subtle hand change!

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Hand position one

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Hand position two

Next tests involved three different helmets (two being AS approved Limar Speed Demon and Crono 05 and also a Bell Meteor II 07) whilst shoulder shrugging and turtling.

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Some of the helmets brought in for testing

Just this alone saved approximately 10% from the initial position. My final position change involved dropping a 2cm spacer and holding the same head and shoulder position and with it came some additional savings.

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Final position

Difference comparing Test 1 and my final position in Test 18 which had identical hand positions ended up saving me ~43 Watts at 40km/hr!

Additional observations

There was a little spare time at the end I could do a few additional tests. Unfortunately not enough to rotate the test jig so all equipment tests done were only at 0 degrees yaw…

Based on this, the Arundel bottle was no better or really worse than no bottle on my bike, so if you need fluid it isn’t bad but won’t be the great fairing as hoped. The Jetstream bottle was a little worse but given you don’t have to move out of position to drink, it would be interesting to see if not having to reach down is actually better during a longer event, not to mention the ease of refilling on the go.

The compression tights I had actually tested a little better than bare shaved legs, therefore deserve more investigation as to the benefits of wearing compression clothing during racing.

Also as I was able to spend the whole day observing, from watching the other guys:

What appears aero isn’t necessarily so. The track cyclist tested a smooth track helmet and standard road helmet in his sprint position and the road helmet tested better.

Helmet interaction between individuals varies considerably. Just because one helmet has tested better in a study doesn’t mean it will be that way for you!

Depending on your build, going lower doesn’t always equal better drag figures. Rob the Triathlete with solid swimming shoulders found going lower made no real difference in drag. So he will stay higher for comfort and to be able to produce maximum watts.

So was it worth it?

Definitely! The numbers don’t lie! I entered the tunnel with what I thought was a good position and left with a major improvement in aerodynamics. The drag savings uncovered in 1 ½ hours could otherwise take years of hard training were gained in such a short time. Yes it will take time to adapt, but well worth the effort given the huge improvement available!

Thanks go to Raoul Leuscher for organising the day, and David Burton and the engineering team at the Monash tunnel who are planning to make more sessions available in the future.

(Position photos courtesy of the Monash Wind Tunnel)
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Postby Boonen » Wed Sep 24, 2008 7:54 am

very interesting writeup Dalai! :top:

Your position does look faster in the end, let's hope you can adapt to it as saving 43 watts at 40km/h is huge!! (especially considering how the first position was, it's not like you had an awful position to start with)

Could it be the aero bottle cages would work better and will generate the fairing you're hoping for at side wind angles?

I'm quite curious as to what helmet is the fastest for you, is the blue one the 'Lance' Giro one? I guess we'll just have to look at the pictures of your next race to find out? :wink:
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Postby ash » Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:34 pm

Boonen wrote:I'm quite curious as to what helmet is the fastest for you, is the blue one the 'Lance' Giro one? I guess we'll just have to look at the pictures of your next race to find out? :wink:


http://www.bv.com.au/forums/viewtopic.php?t=10942

i'd say this is a hint to which one didn't fare so well ;)

very interesting report dalai.. sounds like you really made the most of the opportunity :)

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Postby pritchet74 » Wed Sep 24, 2008 3:03 pm

Thanks for sharing your experience in the tunnel - sounds like it was a lot of fun! I'm kind of surprised that they tested at only 0 yaw though. If you were going to only test at 1 yaw angle I would think that they would have done either 5 or 10 degrees since that's what is more often encountered out on the road (according to some wheel manufacturers).
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Postby Ypsylon » Wed Sep 24, 2008 3:10 pm

43Watts at 40 km/h is something I'd like to save. :shock:

Anybody know a windtunnel in Europe?

Maybe I should ask Cees to check out my position? Does he do stuff like that?
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Postby dalai » Thu Sep 25, 2008 2:34 am

Boonen wrote:Could it be the aero bottle cages would work better and will generate the fairing you're hoping for at side wind angles?


Exactly! Though I've heard two opposing views. One that it does help, the other that it doesn't! :?

Boonen wrote:I'm quite curious as to what helmet is the fastest for you, is the blue one the 'Lance' Giro one?


The large collection of helmets were borrowed from various people by Rob the triathlete (including the Lance Giro - not mine unfortunately) as he isn't limited by which helmets he can use. For triathlons in Australia you can use any helmet that has approval to use from any Triathlon federation.

For me, as I'm now just focussing on road racing and TT's my options were far more limited. At the moment there are only three helmets (two from the same mold) that are Australian Standards approved and is a requirement for racing by Cycling Australia.

So I ended up only testing with three helmets. A Bell Meteor II 07 that I own and plan on using when I race triathlons again. And then compared the AS Approved Limar Speed Demon (which I also owned) and a Limar Crono 05 (which I now own :wink: ).

I found very little difference in drag between the Crono and the Bell for me, the Speed Demon ended up around a 10 watt disadvantage over the other two. :shock: For Tri's I'll still race the Bell because I didn't have to turtle my neck as much to get the tail on my back which is very important for aerodynamics and means a more comfortable position in the longer races!
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Postby dalai » Thu Sep 25, 2008 6:08 am

pritchet74 wrote:Thanks for sharing your experience in the tunnel - sounds like it was a lot of fun! I'm kind of surprised that they tested at only 0 yaw though. If you were going to only test at 1 yaw angle I would think that they would have done either 5 or 10 degrees since that's what is more often encountered out on the road (according to some wheel manufacturers).


Agreed for equipment tests! But because we were being tested primarily for positional changes and trying to reduce our cda. Zero degrees was recommend plus not pedalling for the majority of the tests: though did confirm initial and final positions with readings taken whilst pedalling.

@Ypsylon Not sure about European tunnels. In fact part of our session (at the reduced rate of only AU$500) was for the Monash team to see the viability of offering such a service for individuals. Only other options that I am aware of at this time here in Australia is either hire the tunnel out for the day at a cost of $10,000 :shock: or fly to the States for testing!

That's why although the money was being put aside for a powermeter, I had to take up the offer!
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Postby Boonen » Thu Sep 25, 2008 9:52 pm

So the standard Giro one isn't legal in Australia? Interesting stuff nonetheless, thanks for sharing!

Yps, I know Cees has worked with cyclists in a windtunnel in the Netherlands. It's said to be the most advanced low speed tunnel in the world. He actually had an offer for people of the forum to be tested last year but it seems nobody took advantage of it. You could try contacting him, I'm sure if you're serious about getting tested he can help you.
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Postby dalai » Fri Sep 26, 2008 12:29 am

Boonen wrote:So the standard Giro one isn't legal in Australia?


Only for Triathlons. For time trials, up until June this year when Limar released their two models with the Australian Standards sticker, you could only use regular road helmets! Though some did use minimal vented skateboard helmets that had the AS sticker to try and be more aero...
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Postby stumpytrunks » Fri Sep 26, 2008 2:49 am

Thanks for posting all this dalai, interesting reading! Boonen, we even get pulled up for covering vents on road helmets as they are not in 'out of the box condition'. :roll:
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Postby pritchet74 » Fri Sep 26, 2008 3:45 am

stumpytrunks wrote:Thanks for posting all this dalai, interesting reading! Boonen, we even get pulled up for covering vents on road helmets as they are not in 'out of the box condition'. :roll:


LAME!

Isn't the Uvex one legal too though? I remember seeing lots of those in the pics from the Aus Nationals.
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Postby stumpytrunks » Fri Sep 26, 2008 6:28 am

From memory there was a loophole where guys on pro teams could wear their team issue stuff. Pretty sure everyone did anyway...welcome to Australian rule making :roll:
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Postby Ypsylon » Fri Sep 26, 2008 3:49 pm

Boonen wrote:Yps, I know Cees has worked with cyclists in a windtunnel in the Netherlands. It's said to be the most advanced low speed tunnel in the world. He actually had an offer for people of the forum to be tested last year but it seems nobody took advantage of it. You could try contacting him, I'm sure if you're serious about getting tested he can help you.


Do you have any idea how much it was, roughly?
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Postby Boonen » Fri Sep 26, 2008 5:06 pm

sorry, I have no idea. The windtunnel is called the 'Dutch-German windtunnel' and is located in Marknesse in the Netherlands. They have a website but I can't get it to work: http://www.dnw.nlr.nl/ Maybe someone else knows anything or you could try and contact Cees.

That's some rules you have regarding helmets over there in Australia. :?
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Postby Thomskie » Fri Sep 26, 2008 8:07 pm

Boonen wrote:sorry, I have no idea. The windtunnel is called the 'Dutch-German windtunnel' and is located in Marknesse in the Netherlands. They have a website but I can't get it to work: http://www.dnw.nlr.nl/ Maybe someone else knows anything or you could try and contact Cees.

That's some rules you have regarding helmets over there in Australia. :?


Maybe this can help: http://www.dnw.aero/
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