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Postby madcow » Tue Mar 24, 2009 6:13 pm

I just arrived back in town from a week in Texas to find that my Di2 groups have been sitting here waiting for me. These were all I needed to finish the new groups weight list. I do have alot of things to catch up on, but thought I'd post this real quick.

So without further ado, verified weights for all inclusive groups and parts.

Shifters.....
Campag Record 11, 348.6gr
Campag SuperRecord, 344.1gr
Shimano Di2, 255.3gr
Shimano 7900, 365.7gr
Sram Red, 291.2gr

Rear Derailleur.....
Campag Record 11, 181.1gr
Campag SuperRecord, 173.8gr
Shimano Di2, 221.7gr
Shimano 7900, 164.2gr
Sram Red, 143.8gr

Front braze on derailleur.....
Campag Record 11, 72.4gr
Campag SuperRecord, 72.5gr
Shimano Di2, 120.5gr
Shimano 7900, 63.9gr
Sram Red, 70.4gr

Brakeset.....
Campag Record 11, 285.5gr
Campag SuperRecord, 278.4gr
Shimano Di2, 294.8gr
Shimano 7900, 294.8gr
Sram Red, 272.3gr

Cassette w/lockring 11-23......
Campag Record 11, 191.3gr
Campag SuperRecord, 180.4gr
Shimano Di2, 160.7gr
Shimano 7900, 160.7gr
Sram Red, 153.9gr

Chain.....
Campag Record 11, 245.4gr
Campag SuperRecord, 245.4gr
Shimano Di2, 257.1gr
Shimano 7900, 257.1gr
Sram Red, 264.3gr

crank....
Campag Record 11, 646.7gr (has bearings)
Campag SuperRecord, 639.7gr (has bearings)
Shimano Di2, 658.7gr (no bearings)
Shimano 7900, 658.7gr (no bearings)
Sram Red, 637.8gr (no bearings)

bb......
Campag Record 11, 52.8gr (no bearings)
Campag SuperRecord, 51.9gr (no bearings)
Shimano Di2, 86.2gr (has bearings)
Shimano 7900, 86.2gr (has bearings)
Sram Red, 114.1gr (has bearings)

Crank w/bb.....
Campag Record 11, 699.5gr
Campag SuperRecord, 691.6gr
Shimano Di2, 744.9gr
Shimano 7900, 744.9gr
Sram Red, 751.9gr

Cable set.....
Campag Record 11, 237.2gr
Campag SuperRecord, 237.2gr
Shimano Di2, 136.5gr
Shimano 7900, 231.7gr
Sram Red, 266.5gr

Other needed parts to complete Di2 group.....
battery, 68.9gr
ext. cable, 78.8gr
control cable, 17.4gr

Complete group weights..... Lightest to heaviest.
Sram Red, 2214.3gr
Campag SuperRecord, 2218.9gr
Campag Record 11, 2261gr
Shimano 7900, 2282.7gr
Shimano Di2, 2356.6gr
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Re: weights for new groups and components

Postby pritchet74 » Tue Mar 24, 2009 9:45 pm

Amazing list. Thanks Madcow for putting it together!
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Re: weights for new groups and components

Postby dunlinii » Tue Mar 24, 2009 10:39 pm

Thanks man....SRAM still the lightest :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:
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Re: weights for new groups and components

Postby runner » Wed Mar 25, 2009 1:19 am

Swapped the heavy Sram crankset with a Zipp Vuma Quad w/Ceramic BB. Sram groupo would still be $1000+ less than the SR groupo and would weigh about 170g less!
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Re: weights for new groups and components

Postby Boonen » Wed Mar 25, 2009 10:24 am

Thanks for taking the time to make us this list Madcow, interesting stuff :top:
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Re: weights for new groups and components

Postby frenk » Wed Mar 25, 2009 12:05 pm

Great post! :applause:
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(btw, how much is the total weight of 7800, for reference?)
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Re: weights for new groups and components

Postby madcow » Wed Mar 25, 2009 4:23 pm

7800 is as follows...I had to take some of the weights from older notes so there may be a few grams variation. Also, at some mid-point the 7800 crank gained about 40 grams going anywhere in between 645 and 685 grams, so I took a middle weight for that to give it some average.

Shifters, 420.1
Rr mech, 181.7
frt mech, 72.6
brakes, 315.8
cass, 173.7
chain, 279.1
crank, 666.7
bb, 86.4
cables, 228.3

Total: 2424.4grams.
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Re: weights for new groups and components

Postby morrisond » Wed Mar 25, 2009 10:03 pm

What about old Record 10 sp?
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Re: weights for new groups and components

Postby Xav » Thu Mar 26, 2009 1:09 pm

Great list thanks a lot .
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Re: weights for new groups and components

Postby taz » Thu Mar 26, 2009 3:51 pm

morrisond wrote:What about old Record 10 sp?


Shifters, 332
Rr mech, 190
frt mech, 76 (compact)
brakes, 288
cass, 184 (11-23)
chain, 256 (uncut)
crank + bb, 692 (compact 50/34)
cables, 240 (approx. weight, forgot to weigh them :bangHead: )

Total: 2258 grams.
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Re: weights for new groups and components

Postby quick_step » Sun Mar 29, 2009 4:24 pm

Sweet thanks madcow : )
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Re: weights for new groups and components

Postby jsmst32 » Mon Aug 09, 2010 1:21 pm

Do we know what the 2011 SR11 will weigh?
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Re: weights for new groups and components

Postby Ypsylon » Fri Apr 13, 2012 10:05 am

Madcow asked me to post his update to the group weights. Typos are still his.

Sorry for what might be a long post. I also want to apologize in advance of any typos I may make while writing this post, it's a lot of numbers to work with so excuse me if I type something wrong, but I'll make an effort to get them right.

In 2010 I posted here a list of equalized complete group weights for the time. This week I finally got my hands on aftermarket Super Record EPS which meant I could complete my spreadsheet with all the current groups. Guess this is as good a time as any to share.

A couple of notes. The groups are all even, cables and housings are cut to the same length as are chains. Super Record and SR EPS are the only groups that have options and since they are top shelf I went with the lighter and more expensive option of ti spindles in the cranks and lighter brakes. But keep in mind that comes with a tradeoff in performance and price. So without further ado:

Complete group weights from lightest to heaviest:
1. Sram Red, 2125.6 grams
2. Campag Super Record, 2154.9 grams
3. Campag Record, 2263.7
4. Shimano 7900, 2277 grams
5. Campag Super Record EPS, 2285.4 grams
6. Shimano Dura Ace Di2, 2350.6 grams
7. Campag Chorus, 2352 grams
8. Sram Force, 2435.60 grams
9. Campag Record EPS, 2482 grams
10. Shimano 6700, 2529.2 grams
11. Shimano Ultegra DI2, 2619.3 grams

US Retail price for complete group from least expensive to most expensive.
1. Shimano 6700, $1292
2. Sram Force, $1325
3. Campag Chorus $1745
4/5. Ultegra Di2 and Shimano 7900 are the same, $2300
6. Campag Record, $2500
7. Sram Red, $2550
8. Campag Super Record, $3425
9. Dura Ace DI2, $3900
10. Campag Record EPS, $4600
11. Campag Super Record EPS, $5400

Now being that this is WW most of the variables will be replaced with others, so lets look at just the key pieces. (removing cranks, bb, chain, brakes and cassette.) Replacing cables with an averaged light setup such as Alligator. (100 grams for brake and 60 grams for shift.)

From lightest to heaviest
1. Sram Red 660.4 grams
2. Super Record, 729.1 grams
3. Record, 749.5 grams
4. 7900, 753.8 grams
5. Campag Chorus, 760.3 grams
6. Sram Force, 771.5 grams
7. Dura Ace Di2 822.6 grams
8. 6700, 875.5 grams
9. Super Record EPS, 891.8 grams
10. Record EPS, 899 grams
11. Ultegra Di2, 960.8


What surprises me is how little actual difference in weight between SR EPS and Record EPS, about 7 grams. This list also better shows the difference in weight between mechanical and electronic.

Another big surprise to me is that on the trimmed list Dura Ace Di2 comes in lighter than Super Record. Campag gives up ground with the battery, wire and bits that go along with making it all work. If you add up the essential electronic pieces (battery, mount, wires etc..) you get 230.7 for Campag electronics and 165.1 for Dura ace Di2 and even a little less for Ultegra. Also I think it's important to note that Dura Ace is a few years old and with the next one we can expect some weight savings. I'd also think that for next year we'll see SR EPS shave some weight, it's just too close to record EPS to justify itself, in my opinion.

One thing that I think is starting to come more clear to me is the need for Sram to get lighter bottom bracket and cableset. Notice how light Red is compared to SR on the trimmed list, but how little actual difference when you look at the complete group. Sram looses a lot of ground with the bb and cables. The other thing is the need for them to get moving with an electronic group. With Shimano announcing a new one soon for 2013 and Campag moving all the way down to Athena EPS it's clear that this platform is not going to go away.

I was going to list all the individual pieces and their weights, but it looks like I've run out of time today and it's a long list of numbers.
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