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Smart Enve System Clincher Rims

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  • #93313
    Keymaster

    For the last several months there has been lots of anticipation about the Smart Enve System (SES) clincher rims.  Now that we have them in stock we have had a chance to play with them and form an opinion.  In short they’ve surpassed my expectations, which honestly were quite high.

    Since the tubular versions of 3.4 and 6.7 have been out for almost a year and a lot of people are familiar with what makes the SES rims special, so there’s no need to go into great detail. We will, however, touch on some aspects that I find interesting as well as some which maybe just haven’t been much talked about.   All of the Smart Enve System rims are designed to be used in matched pairs to produce the best results.  All the rims are wider than standard Enve rims, but the front SES is wider and shallower than the rear (26mm wide front and 24mm wide rear), this is said to reduce drag and improve handling and the results are really noticeable.  All SES wheels feel super fast, and wind tunnel data that I’ve seen backs this up.  Perhaps even more importantly, handling is insanely predictable/stable.

    Clinchers and Heat

    To date the biggest problem with carbon clinchers has been heat buildup, so a lot of focus needed to be in that area.  I knew Enve had been working to improve on this, but really didn’t know much about the testing.  I spent some time chatting with them about the testing and found it to be pretty interesting.   The testing machine runs a 600 watt brake load for 3 minutes.  Why chose those numbers?   Because virtually every other carbon clincher tested failed well before completing that test.   Of course not everything was shared with us, but we do know that during the testing temperature both internal and external is recorded.  We also know that they use lasers to measure changes in the sidewalls from heat and pressure.  One thing I found interesting was that air pressure changes from temperature increases are also measured.  I found this interesting because over the last couple of years, I’ve seen an argument raised that as heat increases and resins soften air pressure increases dramatically and this increase plays a large role in the deformation of the brake track.  The numbers I’ve seen tossed around range anywhere from a few psi to an increase as much as 80 or 90 psi.  I had never seen actual test data to show the increase in air pressure.  Well now there is an answer and it is up to 12 psi.  That is the highest increase they have recorded since testing began.  Not nearly as significant as I had expected and says a lot about the advancements of dealing with heat in a carbon clincher.

    Braking Surface, Spoke Holes and Warranty

    Continuing on with the brake track, on the SES rims the transition from sidewall to braking surface is perfectly smooth, no raised lip as on other models.  This was intentional as the lipped transition could not create the aero effect that was being sought.  Carrying on the with idea of molded in spoke holes, Enve molds in the brake track and spoke bed on the SES.  It comes out of the mold finished and does not require any grinding, smoothing, or texturing of the brake track.    The method for this molding process is not something they were willing to talk about.

    Another nice thing about the rims is that the warranty has been expanded from the industry standard of 2 years, all the way out to 5 years.  One of my favorite things about Enve is their customer service.  They are one of the few companies that are actually a pleasure to deal with if you have a problem.  So when they say a 5 year warranty I have full trust that they’ll honor it.

    The Smart System and Handling

    One place where the SES rims really shine is in handling.  Enve has created a steering metric which they call the stability index and at first seems a bit complicated and maybe beyond my ability to explain.  Simply put, it measures steering torque at the front wheel in a changing wind.  When the 6.7 tubular came out, I had spent a little time looking at this index and trying to relate to it, but then after having ridden the wheels realized that perhaps it wasn’t something to quantify and explain.  It’s not only easier but more impactful to just experience.  I have yet to ride a 60 or 70mm deep wheel set which handles this well.  Being in the 130 pound range, I am pretty sensitive to buffeting from wind and gusty conditions.  It’s not that the SES wheels eliminate this because they don’t, it’s that they change the way you interact with it.  In theory a linear response to changes in wind makes them super predictable and that in turn leads to more stability .  In reality it does 2 things.  First it reduces fatigue in gusty or changing conditions, both mental and physical fatigue.  This change is even more noticeable as the speed increases, such as on a high speed mountain descent with gusts that change direction.  The second thing it does is restore confidence.  Most of us tend to ride slower when we’re being blown unpredictably around the road on a high speed descent.  The SES wheels return that descending confidence in a big way and feel more connected to the road in such conditions leading to simply faster riding.

    My original plan was to use some 3.4 clinchers as my daily riders, but now I see no reason why not to use the 6.7, which to me seem to handle as well as my standard 45mm Enve set.  So needless to say I’m impressed, the rims are more than I had expected.  I do think I should note that while aero numbers for the clinchers have not yet been publicly released, they are coming.  However I can say that they tested as being more aero than their equivalent tubular SES rims.

    A comparison of Enve Smart Rim Weight

    I was also impressed with the weight of them in relation to the tubular as well as their weight in relation to other clinchers.  When you compare the tubular 3.4 to the tubular 45 set, you see a significant jump in weight to the SES version.  A pair of Enve 45 Tubular rims weighs 590 grams and a pair of Tubular 3.4 weighs 735 grams, a jump of 145 grams over the standard Enve.  When you look at the clinchers though a set of 45 are 900 grams and a set of 3.4 clinchers are 890 grams.  So for all intensive purposes there is no weight gain.  Which makes me ask, what will become of the 45 clincher.  For an extra $100 per rim, no weight penalty, improved aerodynamics and better handling, why would anyone not choose the SES version over the standard?

    For the weights we measured and averaged quite a few sets, and found that there was very little variation in weights, seeing that consistency says a lot about the manufacturing.  Averaged clincher weights are as follows:

    Rim Weight
    35mm 440 grams
    45mm 449 grams
    60mm 504 grams
    70mm 522 grams

    Enve’s Smart vs Zipp’s Firecrest

    While lots of people have been talking about the SES rims, many publications seem to be avoiding the fact that Enve is definitely taking a shot directly at Zipp’s Firecrest line.   Putting together an Enve set equivalently priced to 303 firecrest (3.4 clinchers, Tune 45/170 hubs and CxRay spokes) you can end up with a wheel set that is virtually identical in terms of aerodynamics across the board, but handles better and saves more than 200 grams of weight.   Comparing the same build with 6.7 clinchers to the 404 set you have the same handling advantage, 180 grams of weight savings, and arguably an even more aero wheel than the 404.  So it looks like that shot was well placed.

    Aero data can be found here please note that the data is for the 3.4 and 6.7 tubular, the clincher data will be coming soon.

    We also have some 8.9 tubulars to cover, but we’ll save that for next week.

     

    #93314
    GTM

    Any sense on max rider weight for these rims? I am a larger rider and have the AM 29ers and love them and would appreciate similar quality road wheels.

    #93315
    Will von Kaenel

    Jason– Given what you’ve learned about these rims, their heat characteristics, etc., do they seem like less a bad idea for tandems than heretofore you’ve thought carbon rims to be?

    #93316
    Participant

    Hi Jason,
    Thanks a lot for a great article !
    I use both 6.7 tubulars and firecrest clincher and found them both excellent. I’m actually quite excited about 3.4 and 6.7 carbon clincher and will probably order some, there is just one question I can’t find the answer for on the Enve carbon clincher rims : the rims have different external width, what about internal width ? If the “hook to hook” distance is different on the front and rear rim it is possible that a same tire might have a different shape depends on which rim it is mounted to. Maybe not a big deal but I’m really curious about this… If you could provide the numbers that would be awsome !
    Thanks in advance.
    Pyf

    #93317
    Keymaster

    The front rims are about 18mm wide internally while the rears are about 15.5mm.

    #93318
    Keymaster

    Yes and no. They are getting better at handling heat but I still don’t think it’s a great idea except for maybe flat courses. However it really doesn’t matter since the only drilling options are 20/24.

    #93319
    Keymaster

    There is no max rider weight, and the rims have more than enough rigidity for just about any rider. Depending on your style and needs though you may make some considerations when choosing spokes.

    #93320
    Mark

    Where does the weight saving come from vs. a Zipp 404 CCL

    According to Enve site a 6.7 clincher on DT240 hubs is 1566g, a 404 CC is 1557g. Don’t see any noticable saving between Zipp or Enve.

    Also Aero savings might be better on the Enve due to 60mm/70mm rim depth but the Enve tests are using 22 or 23mm tires. Zipp 404 is optimised for a 21mm tire. So it’d be interesting to see Aero data for a Zipp 404 with 21mm, a 6.7 with 22mm vs a Bontrager 5 with a 23mm tire – for which they were optimised.

    #93321
    Keymaster

    @Mark,

    In my opinion one of the strengths of the ENVE Smart system is that it’s sold as a rim. Our build includes Tune Hubs and Sapim spokes. The extra flexibility in buying a rim allows us to tune the weight and ride.

    Unfortunately publishable direct comparison data won’t be available for a while if at all. I’d also be interested in aerodynamic data with rolling resistance figures, possibly the holly grail and probably too complex to test in a meaningful way to most riders.

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    #93322
    D.May

    Hello ,did you choose tune hubs for weight limitation ? …as say opposed to Christ king 45′s ? cheers.

    #93323
    Keymaster

    D.May,

    We used Tune because they’re the most comparable hub to what Zipp is using in terms of weight and price so we could compare the rims which is what we were after for this article.

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    #93324
    CS

    Any advice of the optimum tyre? Tubeless possible? Thanks

    #93325
    ross lewin

    What’s the range of tire widths for the 3.4 clincher rims, can you ride super narrow tires, eg 20mm?

    #93326
    Keymaster

    Ross,

    22-23 is what’s recommended. You could run a 20mm and shouldn’t have any problems. Why so narrow?

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    #93327
    Kevin

    I weigh approximately 138 lbs. I am wondering if I should get the enve 6.7 or enve 3.4 clinchers for my daily riders? I worry about cross winds because I have had problems before going down hills and then getting blasted at the bottom going a high speed.
    Thank you!

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